Why do people want to do things they know they cannot achieve anything good out of it but be a nuisance to others and become an irritant themselves?
You made a comment out in the open, then you admit to the person you commented on that it was nothing personal and maybe it was not necessary. And after that you refuse to take it back or take it down. Being contradictory? This takes the cake! And next you say the only way to solve this is to sit down and talk but nobody wants to come out, go think again, why so. I told you many times of this too. Make peace, but with what price? You don't want to make peace, you want peace to be given by having the others do what you want.
You said the post was targetted at NUF not at nightwolf75, but then again, it's the same as you criticize the gahmen but not MM, then you expect the MM to take it lying down? Similarly why wouldn't nightwolf75 get fed up based on what you criticized? He has a hidden agenda for organizing NUG? Come on dude, not all are like Oracle/USM who do MOs and Canongraphers outing and split themselves into various groups. You are being over-sensitive FOR NOTHING. I already told you this over the phone last night. Just because he's a Super Moderator for NUF and organises NUG for NUF means they have a motive.
"it's been tossed ard for a while among the mods... so, in the new year, we have decided to refresh and restart the nong nong dormant gatherings by re-naming it"
-- excerpt from NUF
and you say NUF is taking NUG as theirs, if you want to twist words to achieve that kind of unhealthy thinking and be all worked up getting hypertension etc, then your life won't be very much longer. And if you say if nightwolf75 used "I" instead of "we" it is a personal move nothing to do with NUF. Have you ever heard of teamwork? Do you know what teamwork is? Do you know and understand the difference between "I" and "We"?
-- Kinda obvious you only know what is I, Me, Myself. --
You expect people to inform you of the things they do, WHY should they? Everybody has their privacy, expectations, circle of life and other friends. If you say they don't inform you means they don't respect you, then do you respect their rights and their personal life? This world is not about you.
Asking you to stand up to your mistakes it not the unmaking of a man, humility comes before pride. Sure, you have a pride to standby to, don't others? A REAL man stands up to his errs and admits them. Are you one?
Monday, February 26, 2007
Fat One's Crap
"so you guys still be going to the show ? I'm sitting next to you. I don't feel like watching a musical with you guys due to recent happenings as my mood may be affected. I would like to buy back the 2 tickets from you. pls have that little respect for me and grant me this wish. Thanks in advance. CC: CuteOne only.
Sunday, February 25, 2007
"Personally...i felt compel.." <-- COMPEL KI LAN!!!
The FatOne SMS me while i was still enjoying my CNY. His SMS as followed :
"25.02.2006, 4:41pm
Hi, GadGitz, I've just transferred $294 back to your posb for the phantom of the opera tickets. Personally i felt that it'll be a compel for you, CuteOne and likewise for myself to go together if we no longer enjoy each other company. Please arrange to return the tickets back to me asap. I apologise if it cost you any inconveniences. Msg CC:CuteOne."
What does he think i am? SiSTiC Outlet ah? SiSTiC don't even do refunds lor. I've transferred the $294 back to FatOne with the following SMS on 25.02.2007, 9:25pm :
"i have just transferred the amount back to you for the tickets. If that is insufficient or if you think the price of you being compel cost more, i will transfer more $ for your time and effort taken to help us get the tickets. We thank you for getting us the tickets and it was supppse to be just a simple transaction so do not complicate this matter, especially during this Chinese New Year because of $. Do not transfer any amount back to our accounts or to anyone and trouble others to return us the $.
I CC: this SMS to some of the others. If he harasses me one more time about this or i see the amount coming back to $, i will make make his life a living hell.
"25.02.2006, 4:41pm
Hi, GadGitz, I've just transferred $294 back to your posb for the phantom of the opera tickets. Personally i felt that it'll be a compel for you, CuteOne and likewise for myself to go together if we no longer enjoy each other company. Please arrange to return the tickets back to me asap. I apologise if it cost you any inconveniences. Msg CC:CuteOne."
What does he think i am? SiSTiC Outlet ah? SiSTiC don't even do refunds lor. I've transferred the $294 back to FatOne with the following SMS on 25.02.2007, 9:25pm :
"i have just transferred the amount back to you for the tickets. If that is insufficient or if you think the price of you being compel cost more, i will transfer more $ for your time and effort taken to help us get the tickets. We thank you for getting us the tickets and it was supppse to be just a simple transaction so do not complicate this matter, especially during this Chinese New Year because of $. Do not transfer any amount back to our accounts or to anyone and trouble others to return us the $.
I CC: this SMS to some of the others. If he harasses me one more time about this or i see the amount coming back to $, i will make make his life a living hell.
Cannot owe over CNY...
Based on what he said, I messaged this to him based on the actual cost of the iBook we paid for earlier. It was easier to round off to 72.72 and then return him the access after 24months since he's already paid up in full, time to refund him the difference.
Private Message to him via Forum
iBook Monthly payment: 72.715
Total 24mths installment: 1745.16
Total paid to me up to date based on 72.72@24mths = 1745.28
Extra: $0.12.
TT'd back to you liaoz. Was going to TT back to you after the full payment, so, better settle it now cos not good to owe over CNY.
Anyway, the $50 was a business transaction, not you owe me, so ... oh well, nvm, TT to you on the 19th Mar after my wedding is completed.
--
regards.
Private Message to him via Forum
iBook Monthly payment: 72.715
Total 24mths installment: 1745.16
Total paid to me up to date based on 72.72@24mths = 1745.28
Extra: $0.12.
TT'd back to you liaoz. Was going to TT back to you after the full payment, so, better settle it now cos not good to owe over CNY.
Anyway, the $50 was a business transaction, not you owe me, so ... oh well, nvm, TT to you on the 19th Mar after my wedding is completed.
--
regards.
Maybe he's finally decided?
From a thread...
"*Hoot* *Hoot* Wake up to a new day, Start life afresh.
Today my mood is good... thought over and free of all worries... everything is no longer important to me liao."
I think he's about decided, that's why finding everybody to return their stuffs. Ok lor, I also cannot help it if he is so sensitive and so suspicious of all and so priding his life on $. If he chooses to be alone, then, so be it. I won't say much.
"*Hoot* *Hoot* Wake up to a new day, Start life afresh.
Today my mood is good... thought over and free of all worries... everything is no longer important to me liao."
I think he's about decided, that's why finding everybody to return their stuffs. Ok lor, I also cannot help it if he is so sensitive and so suspicious of all and so priding his life on $. If he chooses to be alone, then, so be it. I won't say much.
Thought it would be a boring weekend...
Was just complaining to D that there's nothing to blog about during the weekend, while I guess that's about wrong...following is the SMS conversation from the FatOne to me and back.
Background information:
Books:
The FatOne passed me some books he thought I can use for my wedding photography some moons back. Apparently now he wants them back. Which is of not a problem to me, but I passed him the wrong ones, 2 weeks back. Hiak hiak.
Package:
When I first started wedding photography, he saw the discs I passed to my client and commented that it's not professional, so he offered to doll up the package for me. Did it quite nicely, then after a few, he started to claim that his ink and paper and effort needed to do the package is very much, (I'll add in another blog regarding this soon).
So, he say he's going to charge for packaging. $50 per package. So this relates basically to what the package is referring to about.
iBook:
I was in search for a replacement for my 3 years old Acer notebook then, and I got an iBook 2 years ago while the FatOne was with me and he was interested in making a purchase also. I wasn't very rich then due to my camera hobby so I went by instalments, and the shop doesn't take American Express cards so I paid for his set as well. Note: The instalment started in 2005. We went by 24 months instalment because we found it easier to pay and lesser burden on us at $72+ a month.
---- Begin of SMS ----
FatOne: I still need the wedding book... Do let me know when I can have it back. Thanks.
WN: Pass you during FS.
FatOne: I've transferred 3x $72.72 for the last 3 payment to you and also $50 for the upcoming package which have yet to come. Let me know if that amount is not enough.
At this point, I have the feeling he wants to cut all ties, so returning the $ is a way to cut it cleanly if he opts to, I've yet to cut any ties, in my earlier skype chat with him. I already said it clear, I will not make any such stupid moves unless he does it first. The $50 was a commercial transaction for my wedding package. Which I normally prepaid to him. Not $ that he owes me. I'm a bit concerned because my wedding is not yet executed and if I can't deliver the package to my couples I do not know what to do?
WN: The package will come next month. You don't have to TT back to me so fast.
WN:Note I'll tt the next 3 back first. Please don't mess up my accounts.
FatOne: Already transferred. If it comes and you still want me to do, then pay me when due. It's ok... I want to clear up my account. No good to owe ppl on CNY.
WN: Pls lor you return everything before CNY not during CNY. TT you late the 72.72x3 the 50 i'll keep.
FatOne: Sorry CNY not over yet. Take it I create troubles for you. Just keep it as it is yours in the 1st place cos if I see that amt in my account later, I'll transfer back. Thanks for allowing me to piggy back on the instalments in the fist place.
Please... it's the Chinese customs to repay all debts before the CNY because we Chinese believe that all debts when not paid, will incur more debts in the new year (a sort of superstition). When the first day of CNY is over, debt is already owed over the near year, so I do not know why. Not to mention the iBook I bought with him is already 2 years old, I went by 24 months instalment. The last year already over CNY, what talking him? Heh.
WN: Whatever. If you want to be stubborn then I also don't want to argue. I go entertain my nephew and niece. Hee.
FatOne: Sure... You must, you see them once a week remember. Thanks for understanding.
Surprisingly, he didn't call me to argue with me further, look like he's tired and all prepared.
---- End of SMS ----
Background information:
Books:
The FatOne passed me some books he thought I can use for my wedding photography some moons back. Apparently now he wants them back. Which is of not a problem to me, but I passed him the wrong ones, 2 weeks back. Hiak hiak.
Package:
When I first started wedding photography, he saw the discs I passed to my client and commented that it's not professional, so he offered to doll up the package for me. Did it quite nicely, then after a few, he started to claim that his ink and paper and effort needed to do the package is very much, (I'll add in another blog regarding this soon).
So, he say he's going to charge for packaging. $50 per package. So this relates basically to what the package is referring to about.
iBook:
I was in search for a replacement for my 3 years old Acer notebook then, and I got an iBook 2 years ago while the FatOne was with me and he was interested in making a purchase also. I wasn't very rich then due to my camera hobby so I went by instalments, and the shop doesn't take American Express cards so I paid for his set as well. Note: The instalment started in 2005. We went by 24 months instalment because we found it easier to pay and lesser burden on us at $72+ a month.
---- Begin of SMS ----
FatOne: I still need the wedding book... Do let me know when I can have it back. Thanks.
WN: Pass you during FS.
FatOne: I've transferred 3x $72.72 for the last 3 payment to you and also $50 for the upcoming package which have yet to come. Let me know if that amount is not enough.
At this point, I have the feeling he wants to cut all ties, so returning the $ is a way to cut it cleanly if he opts to, I've yet to cut any ties, in my earlier skype chat with him. I already said it clear, I will not make any such stupid moves unless he does it first. The $50 was a commercial transaction for my wedding package. Which I normally prepaid to him. Not $ that he owes me. I'm a bit concerned because my wedding is not yet executed and if I can't deliver the package to my couples I do not know what to do?
WN: The package will come next month. You don't have to TT back to me so fast.
WN:Note I'll tt the next 3 back first. Please don't mess up my accounts.
FatOne: Already transferred. If it comes and you still want me to do, then pay me when due. It's ok... I want to clear up my account. No good to owe ppl on CNY.
WN: Pls lor you return everything before CNY not during CNY. TT you late the 72.72x3 the 50 i'll keep.
FatOne: Sorry CNY not over yet. Take it I create troubles for you. Just keep it as it is yours in the 1st place cos if I see that amt in my account later, I'll transfer back. Thanks for allowing me to piggy back on the instalments in the fist place.
Please... it's the Chinese customs to repay all debts before the CNY because we Chinese believe that all debts when not paid, will incur more debts in the new year (a sort of superstition). When the first day of CNY is over, debt is already owed over the near year, so I do not know why. Not to mention the iBook I bought with him is already 2 years old, I went by 24 months instalment. The last year already over CNY, what talking him? Heh.
WN: Whatever. If you want to be stubborn then I also don't want to argue. I go entertain my nephew and niece. Hee.
FatOne: Sure... You must, you see them once a week remember. Thanks for understanding.
Surprisingly, he didn't call me to argue with me further, look like he's tired and all prepared.
---- End of SMS ----
ah... so the Fat One is starting to call back his items...
be warned... the Fat One is calling back for his items. he just smsed me to demand back the lorel body cap lenses. expects me to deliver to him at spinellis tomorrow evening. boh eng ah! my sch ends at 6pm, i said. LPPL... tell me to pass to morder. watever...
be warned. looks like dat Fat Arse is forsaking all his previous, commerically useless 'frens' liao. muaahhaaaa....
be warned. looks like dat Fat Arse is forsaking all his previous, commerically useless 'frens' liao. muaahhaaaa....
Friday, February 23, 2007
"...do not know XXXXX so well..." <--- Well said.
Somewhere down the chat log of this entry.....
"[4:54:23 PM] FatOne says: just like CuteOne, I told her specifically that I'll pay for my sister and J's phantom of the opera tickets. but as I do not know GadGitz that well, I say I cannot sponsor GadGitz. But she yesterday transfered back everything to me..."
And so from now on, get NOTHING from me.
Scared of Losing Friends? Then Why? - Part 2
When I got back to my skype after coffee, there was still some minor chat about how I should behave on the stupid ChildishStupid Forum.
I can see that he is really scared, he went to one of the threads that we hang out at and went back through all the posts we made so far, which is pretty rare that he does so. Surprisingly, he ain't that stupid for a change. Managed to sniff out that FF1 is more than just Final Fantasy One, nearly let the cat out of the bag there.
[4:34:24 PM] FatOne says: you like to read the piano thread also?
[4:34:33 PM] WN says: Read liao
[4:34:43 PM] FatOne says: and why must one register at FF1?
[4:35:19 PM] WN says: ?
[4:35:40 PM] FatOne says: :)
[4:35:51 PM] FatOne says: so what is FF?
[4:36:21 PM] WN says: Final Fantasy
[4:36:27 PM] WN says: FF11 is a online MMORPG
[4:36:30 PM] WN says: U play?
[4:36:51 PM] FatOne says: not FF11...
[4:36:51 PM] FatOne says: FF1
[4:37:17 PM] WN says: FF1 I dunno liao
[4:37:21 PM] WN says: Only FF11 was online
[4:37:27 PM] WN says: FF12 supposed to also, heng they didn't
[4:38:03 PM] FatOne says: nah... you don't want to tell me?
[4:38:24 PM] WN says: I dunnoe
[4:38:28 PM] WN says: I only know ff11 must register
[4:38:33 PM] WN says: cos monthly need to pay
[4:39:08 PM] FatOne says: http://forums.childishstupid.org/showpost.php?p=2858899&postcount=530
[4:39:18 PM] WN says: I cannot see
[4:39:22 PM] WN says: I must take super long to load, remember?
[4:39:38 PM] FatOne says: this is your reply to FF1.
[4:39:55 PM] FatOne says: Asking KO to register at FF1.
[4:40:00 PM] FatOne says: so what is FF1?
[4:40:39 PM] FatOne says: if you don't wish to tell me, just say so. Acting ignorance will only cause backfire.
[4:40:42 PM] WN says: did I say that? hmmm
[4:41:28 PM] FatOne says: it is stuppose to be a website or thread... I is not born yesterday.
[4:41:47 PM] WN says: I dunnoe, I cannot remember liao
[4:41:52 PM] WN says: Maybe I was drunk when I typed that
[4:42:44 PM] FatOne says: lame answer...
[4:42:57 PM] FatOne says: hard to believe you are drunk during office hr
[4:43:30 PM] WN says: Oooo... it was during office hour
[4:43:46 PM] WN says: Then I cannot remember liao m must go back read the thread then I can grasp
[4:43:54 PM] FatOne says: ok.
[4:45:33 PM] WN says: I is old liao :(
[4:45:45 PM] WN says: Say things say already also forget what I talking about.. Haiz. :(
Like you can see, almost lost it there. Phew.
------------ Next.... ------------
You might want to refer to "Friends are an investment" blog post to follow this section.
[4:46:11 PM] FatOne says: I need mutual trust. Do we still have that?
[4:46:47 PM] WN says: The way you question me and talk to me, you ask yourself, do you still trust me
[4:47:05 PM] WN says: If you think not, then I also nothing to say.
[4:47:18 PM] WN says: As far as I'm concerned, You haven't hurt me bad or anything, so the things will remain as is
[4:47:34 PM] WN says: My advice still valid to you regardless you like to hear it or not
[4:47:44 PM] WN says: "Friends are more important than money"
[4:47:52 PM] FatOne says: Yes. agreed.
[4:47:54 PM] WN says: If you persist... I will still sit on fence.
[4:48:02 PM] WN says: Period.
[4:48:03 PM] FatOne says: I do not need to spend money to buy friends.
[4:48:25 PM] WN says: Good to hear that.
[4:48:30 PM] WN says: Keep it that way.
[4:48:40 PM] FatOne says: Frankly speaking, you guys got nothing worth for me to invest... there is no ROI.
Wow, first he claims he treats all those that attend NUG as an investment, now he says we got nothing worth to be invested in.
------------ continues.... ------------
I thought he said everybody at NUG is a sort of investment, that includes friends who drop by right? So now it's not contradicting that it's not investing in us but "buying my friends a drink"?
[4:49:15 PM] WN says: Yep, agree. That's why I also don't really want to ask you to buy stuff back for me from HK. Cos you don't charge me additional for it.
[4:49:15 PM] FatOne says: All this while I buy drinks on the house at NUG is not investing in you guys... but buying my friends a drink.
[4:49:50 PM] FatOne says: And I always get some small token back for my friend.
[4:50:03 PM] FatOne says: that's why it hurt me when you return me back those books.
[4:50:29 PM] WN says: You ask for the books, so i returned lor.
[4:50:32 PM] FatOne says: I ask for books... only the DSLR and a wedding book that I pass you sometime back...
[4:50:38 PM] WN says: i still got the lucky cat and the nikon towel LOL
[4:50:55 PM] FatOne says: not the Nikon books I got specially for you.
[4:51:12 PM] WN says: i dunnoe, u say books so I dig up all the books somemore I saw your thread
[4:51:20 PM] WN says: thought you wanted those nikon books to be loaned around, so return lor
[4:51:51 PM] FatOne says: I already specially extra of those books I got for you to supply for that thread.
Now he is apparently worried thinking that I'm doing the "return all to you since we no longer friends" act. If so, why persist in this tomfoolery!!! Stop wasting your youth FatOne!
------------ and so.... ------------
Still he defends himself saying that we don't understand him, mistaken him. Was there any mention of friendship generousity in the "Friends are an investment" skype message with the CuteOne?
Trying to clean up the mess now?
[4:52:00 PM] FatOne says: that is an investment thread.
[4:52:24 PM] WN says: I dunno, I thot you wanted those books cos it look so similar
[4:52:29 PM] WN says: Keke...
[4:52:55 PM] FatOne says: you ppl mistaken me... it is you guys who cannot understand the difference between investment and friendship generousity.
[4:53:28 PM] WN says: Hmm...
[4:54:23 PM] FatOne says: just like CuteOne, I told her specifically that I'll pay for my sister and J's phantom of the opera tickets. but as I do not know GadGitz that well, I say I cannot sponsor GadGitz. But she yesterday transfered back everything to me...
[4:54:39 PM] WN says: some gifts cannot be accepted
[4:54:42 PM] WN says: some gifts can
[4:54:51 PM] WN says: Even if me I also will return u the tix money.
[4:55:13 PM] FatOne says: nope... you are returning me a friendship.
[4:55:33 PM] FatOne says: like J, I asked him to keep the money as he needs that more than I do.
[4:55:45 PM] WN says: CuteOne is not the $ face kind, got free one will grab mah you know her well also
[4:55:52 PM] FatOne says: you can return... but in another kind.
[4:57:13 PM] FatOne says: neither is J... he wanted to watch but he says to ex to get 1st class seats... but I insist on 1st class. so I say I'll pay the difference,
[4:57:28 PM] FatOne says: but when he wants to return me, I actually ask him to keep it.
[4:57:31 PM] FatOne says: that's me...
[4:57:37 PM] WN says: Aww... so sweet :D
[4:57:43 PM] FatOne says: I am not investing in J and I don't need to.
[4:57:59 PM] FatOne says: personally what kind of ROI i can get if to invest in J???
[4:58:06 PM] FatOne says: it is stupid right?
[4:58:14 PM] WN says: Beef!! Kobe!
[4:58:18 PM] WN says: :D
[4:58:29 PM] FatOne says: or same qns... what kind of ROI I cen get from CuteOne or you?
[4:58:49 PM] FatOne says: So I would be consider stupid to invest in you and CuteOne right?
[4:59:10 PM] WN says: You want me to bend over!
[4:59:49 PM] FatOne says: that's y I say you ppl thinks too highly of yourself. I am a businessman... I know abt ROI. And I would not want to invest in you or CuteOne or GadGitz or KO.
[5:00:04 PM] WN says: :O
[5:00:09 PM] WN says: I not worth anything :(
[5:00:20 PM] FatOne says: yup you worth $0 ROI.
[5:00:25 PM] FatOne says: Not worth investing.
[5:00:46 PM] WN says: Orhh... :(
[5:01:06 PM] FatOne says: But you always deserves my friendship generousity like dinner, drinks, small gifts, etc.
[5:01:19 PM] WN says: wu gong bu shou ru leh
[5:01:33 PM] WN says: wait later shou chong ruo jing
------------ and again.... ------------
So now, a hint that I didn't do my part as a friend to return the favors? I should have listened to KO and not touch the FatOne's liquor earlier, ok, so now I'm indebted, I'll open up the amount I drank (estimated) and more and return the liquor.
I've stopped drinking his liquor since 2 weeks ago anyway...
[5:01:47 PM] FatOne says: you are always welcome to buy me dinner, drinks, small gifts.
[5:02:00 PM] FatOne says: but you have not. :(
[5:02:11 PM] WN says: Last friday and sunday I opened 2 bottles of Black
[5:02:13 PM] WN says: but you not around :(
[5:02:20 PM] FatOne says: but I never pending on that either.
[5:02:29 PM] FatOne says: I might be there tonight...
[5:02:37 PM] FatOne says: wow 2 bottles?
[5:02:45 PM] FatOne says: there is an expiry date though.
[5:02:49 PM] WN says: Yeah, last week drink quite heavy
[5:02:57 PM] WN says: I open where got put my name
[5:03:01 PM] WN says: I put KO's name
[5:03:17 PM] FatOne says: why not my name?
[5:03:28 PM] WN says: Can also
[5:03:33 PM] FatOne says: good. :)
[5:03:40 PM] WN says: let me know when u finishing, cos I don't want the bottle to expire
[5:03:41 PM] FatOne says: but don't black...
[5:03:52 PM] FatOne says: personally I don't like black...
[5:04:04 PM] FatOne says: Jimbean will be good enough.
[5:04:25 PM] FatOne says: if really want johny walker, then the green or blue label.
[5:04:32 PM] FatOne says: not red or black. :)
[5:04:48 PM] FatOne says: jack daniels I also keen... :)
[5:04:57 PM] FatOne says: or simple, baileys. :)
[5:05:56 PM] WN says: Okie
[5:06:05 PM] FatOne says: now you understand?
[5:06:08 PM] WN says: I think I will open 1 bottle of JB and Baileys for u
[5:06:20 PM] FatOne says: no need. I still got...
[5:06:26 PM] FatOne says: next time bah.
[5:06:33 PM] FatOne says: cos got expiry date.
[5:06:39 PM] WN says: Okie
[5:06:41 PM] WN says: No problem
[5:06:47 PM] FatOne says: now they implement the bottle card...
[5:06:56 PM] FatOne says: to keep track on expiry date.
[5:07:14 PM] FatOne says: and Q now, if your bottle expire, you need to pay for the mixer.
[5:07:18 PM] WN says: can't be bothered, we normally finish before expiry anyway,KO has no expiry.. heehee
[5:07:24 PM] FatOne says: think their business no good.
[5:07:30 PM] WN says: all along mixers aren't free
[5:07:41 PM] FatOne says: not exactly...
[5:07:56 PM] FatOne says: I have not been paying for mixer in Q and T5.
[5:08:06 PM] WN says: cos you kicked off with KO around
[5:08:22 PM] WN says: same for me
[5:08:33 PM] FatOne says: last week when I go Q to finish my jimbeam, it expire 4days only, they ask me that if I don't waht to pay for mixer, open another bottle.
[5:08:49 PM] WN says: Q we no longer open bottle liao
[5:08:53 PM] FatOne says: they are getting strict now.
[5:08:55 PM] WN says: We only have bottles @ CH and T5
[5:09:04 PM] FatOne says: I still got another jimbean there.
[5:09:34 PM] WN says: Okie
[5:10:09 PM] FatOne says: so you gets it?
[5:10:18 PM] FatOne says: NUG is an investment for me...
[5:10:33 PM] WN says: Yeah I know
[5:10:36 PM] WN says: You say a lot of times liao
[5:10:52 PM] FatOne says: ppl go there including you guys, and I still buys drinks serves 3 major purposes:
[5:12:24 PM] FatOne says: 1. Customers who bought things from me so why can't me give them a drink.
2. Friends like yourself and CuteOne, why can't me give them a drink?
3. I use Spinelli cafe to earn $, why can I give them back some business?
[5:13:06 PM] FatOne says: If you trace back, I often buys drinks on the house is when I got collection... that's where I can gives maximum exposure.
[5:14:10 PM] FatOne says: although sometimes I still buys on the house is because you disturb me, so because you are my friend, and I'll honour my friend's decision, I pay for the drinks.
[5:14:11 PM] FatOne says: get it?
[5:16:53 PM] FatOne says: I am not stupid... although I do know that you guys thinks it is unnecessary for me and it is stupid of me... but I insist as you dun know my intentions.
[5:17:17 PM] FatOne says: And definitely I AM NOT BUYING FRIENDS!!!
[5:17:25 PM] FatOne says: I dun need to also.
[5:18:46 PM] FatOne says: anyway enough said.
[5:19:17 PM] FatOne says: Like I say, no mutual trust between 2 persons, then there is no friendship involve in the first place.
[5:20:59 PM] FatOne says: Do let me know if you decided not to trust me anymore. Likewise I'll do that. At least I believe the past relationship between both of us deserved that much of respect. right?
[5:23:08 PM] WN says: Hmm?
[5:23:53 PM] WN says: Me never think so much, and what is past is past
Went around the bush, flogging a dead horse, if my joke of asking for a drink/chips was not necessary and caused obligation, apologies to the FatOne on that, well, you could let me know earlier, I do have a Spinelli's card myself, and I certainly can well afford my own coffee/chips. I'll buy you as many as I can back when I have the opportunity to do so. I cannot afford to owe people favors regardless obligated and/or not.
Now this is intriguing, why talk about all these now? Fear of losing friends? Or you finally cherish and know that what you said is wrong, but earlier as mentioned - what you say, you stand by it so now trying to salvage the situation without making yourself look bad? Is this an attempt to salvage? If it is, you've failed terribly.
Words are like the wind, they come and go, you feel it once, then it's gone forever, things will change, leaves will drop, dust will travel.
*Haiz.*
I can see that he is really scared, he went to one of the threads that we hang out at and went back through all the posts we made so far, which is pretty rare that he does so. Surprisingly, he ain't that stupid for a change. Managed to sniff out that FF1 is more than just Final Fantasy One, nearly let the cat out of the bag there.
[4:34:24 PM] FatOne says: you like to read the piano thread also?
[4:34:33 PM] WN says: Read liao
[4:34:43 PM] FatOne says: and why must one register at FF1?
[4:35:19 PM] WN says: ?
[4:35:40 PM] FatOne says: :)
[4:35:51 PM] FatOne says: so what is FF?
[4:36:21 PM] WN says: Final Fantasy
[4:36:27 PM] WN says: FF11 is a online MMORPG
[4:36:30 PM] WN says: U play?
[4:36:51 PM] FatOne says: not FF11...
[4:36:51 PM] FatOne says: FF1
[4:37:17 PM] WN says: FF1 I dunno liao
[4:37:21 PM] WN says: Only FF11 was online
[4:37:27 PM] WN says: FF12 supposed to also, heng they didn't
[4:38:03 PM] FatOne says: nah... you don't want to tell me?
[4:38:24 PM] WN says: I dunnoe
[4:38:28 PM] WN says: I only know ff11 must register
[4:38:33 PM] WN says: cos monthly need to pay
[4:39:08 PM] FatOne says: http://forums.childishstupid.org/showpost.php?p=2858899&postcount=530
[4:39:18 PM] WN says: I cannot see
[4:39:22 PM] WN says: I must take super long to load, remember?
[4:39:38 PM] FatOne says: this is your reply to FF1.
[4:39:55 PM] FatOne says: Asking KO to register at FF1.
[4:40:00 PM] FatOne says: so what is FF1?
[4:40:39 PM] FatOne says: if you don't wish to tell me, just say so. Acting ignorance will only cause backfire.
[4:40:42 PM] WN says: did I say that? hmmm
[4:41:28 PM] FatOne says: it is stuppose to be a website or thread... I is not born yesterday.
[4:41:47 PM] WN says: I dunnoe, I cannot remember liao
[4:41:52 PM] WN says: Maybe I was drunk when I typed that
[4:42:44 PM] FatOne says: lame answer...
[4:42:57 PM] FatOne says: hard to believe you are drunk during office hr
[4:43:30 PM] WN says: Oooo... it was during office hour
[4:43:46 PM] WN says: Then I cannot remember liao m must go back read the thread then I can grasp
[4:43:54 PM] FatOne says: ok.
[4:45:33 PM] WN says: I is old liao :(
[4:45:45 PM] WN says: Say things say already also forget what I talking about.. Haiz. :(
Like you can see, almost lost it there. Phew.
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You might want to refer to "Friends are an investment" blog post to follow this section.
[4:46:11 PM] FatOne says: I need mutual trust. Do we still have that?
[4:46:47 PM] WN says: The way you question me and talk to me, you ask yourself, do you still trust me
[4:47:05 PM] WN says: If you think not, then I also nothing to say.
[4:47:18 PM] WN says: As far as I'm concerned, You haven't hurt me bad or anything, so the things will remain as is
[4:47:34 PM] WN says: My advice still valid to you regardless you like to hear it or not
[4:47:44 PM] WN says: "Friends are more important than money"
[4:47:52 PM] FatOne says: Yes. agreed.
[4:47:54 PM] WN says: If you persist... I will still sit on fence.
[4:48:02 PM] WN says: Period.
[4:48:03 PM] FatOne says: I do not need to spend money to buy friends.
[4:48:25 PM] WN says: Good to hear that.
[4:48:30 PM] WN says: Keep it that way.
[4:48:40 PM] FatOne says: Frankly speaking, you guys got nothing worth for me to invest... there is no ROI.
Wow, first he claims he treats all those that attend NUG as an investment, now he says we got nothing worth to be invested in.
------------ continues.... ------------
I thought he said everybody at NUG is a sort of investment, that includes friends who drop by right? So now it's not contradicting that it's not investing in us but "buying my friends a drink"?
[4:49:15 PM] WN says: Yep, agree. That's why I also don't really want to ask you to buy stuff back for me from HK. Cos you don't charge me additional for it.
[4:49:15 PM] FatOne says: All this while I buy drinks on the house at NUG is not investing in you guys... but buying my friends a drink.
[4:49:50 PM] FatOne says: And I always get some small token back for my friend.
[4:50:03 PM] FatOne says: that's why it hurt me when you return me back those books.
[4:50:29 PM] WN says: You ask for the books, so i returned lor.
[4:50:32 PM] FatOne says: I ask for books... only the DSLR and a wedding book that I pass you sometime back...
[4:50:38 PM] WN says: i still got the lucky cat and the nikon towel LOL
[4:50:55 PM] FatOne says: not the Nikon books I got specially for you.
[4:51:12 PM] WN says: i dunnoe, u say books so I dig up all the books somemore I saw your thread
[4:51:20 PM] WN says: thought you wanted those nikon books to be loaned around, so return lor
[4:51:51 PM] FatOne says: I already specially extra of those books I got for you to supply for that thread.
Now he is apparently worried thinking that I'm doing the "return all to you since we no longer friends" act. If so, why persist in this tomfoolery!!! Stop wasting your youth FatOne!
------------ and so.... ------------
Still he defends himself saying that we don't understand him, mistaken him. Was there any mention of friendship generousity in the "Friends are an investment" skype message with the CuteOne?
Trying to clean up the mess now?
[4:52:00 PM] FatOne says: that is an investment thread.
[4:52:24 PM] WN says: I dunno, I thot you wanted those books cos it look so similar
[4:52:29 PM] WN says: Keke...
[4:52:55 PM] FatOne says: you ppl mistaken me... it is you guys who cannot understand the difference between investment and friendship generousity.
[4:53:28 PM] WN says: Hmm...
[4:54:23 PM] FatOne says: just like CuteOne, I told her specifically that I'll pay for my sister and J's phantom of the opera tickets. but as I do not know GadGitz that well, I say I cannot sponsor GadGitz. But she yesterday transfered back everything to me...
[4:54:39 PM] WN says: some gifts cannot be accepted
[4:54:42 PM] WN says: some gifts can
[4:54:51 PM] WN says: Even if me I also will return u the tix money.
[4:55:13 PM] FatOne says: nope... you are returning me a friendship.
[4:55:33 PM] FatOne says: like J, I asked him to keep the money as he needs that more than I do.
[4:55:45 PM] WN says: CuteOne is not the $ face kind, got free one will grab mah you know her well also
[4:55:52 PM] FatOne says: you can return... but in another kind.
[4:57:13 PM] FatOne says: neither is J... he wanted to watch but he says to ex to get 1st class seats... but I insist on 1st class. so I say I'll pay the difference,
[4:57:28 PM] FatOne says: but when he wants to return me, I actually ask him to keep it.
[4:57:31 PM] FatOne says: that's me...
[4:57:37 PM] WN says: Aww... so sweet :D
[4:57:43 PM] FatOne says: I am not investing in J and I don't need to.
[4:57:59 PM] FatOne says: personally what kind of ROI i can get if to invest in J???
[4:58:06 PM] FatOne says: it is stupid right?
[4:58:14 PM] WN says: Beef!! Kobe!
[4:58:18 PM] WN says: :D
[4:58:29 PM] FatOne says: or same qns... what kind of ROI I cen get from CuteOne or you?
[4:58:49 PM] FatOne says: So I would be consider stupid to invest in you and CuteOne right?
[4:59:10 PM] WN says: You want me to bend over!
[4:59:49 PM] FatOne says: that's y I say you ppl thinks too highly of yourself. I am a businessman... I know abt ROI. And I would not want to invest in you or CuteOne or GadGitz or KO.
[5:00:04 PM] WN says: :O
[5:00:09 PM] WN says: I not worth anything :(
[5:00:20 PM] FatOne says: yup you worth $0 ROI.
[5:00:25 PM] FatOne says: Not worth investing.
[5:00:46 PM] WN says: Orhh... :(
[5:01:06 PM] FatOne says: But you always deserves my friendship generousity like dinner, drinks, small gifts, etc.
[5:01:19 PM] WN says: wu gong bu shou ru leh
[5:01:33 PM] WN says: wait later shou chong ruo jing
------------ and again.... ------------
So now, a hint that I didn't do my part as a friend to return the favors? I should have listened to KO and not touch the FatOne's liquor earlier, ok, so now I'm indebted, I'll open up the amount I drank (estimated) and more and return the liquor.
I've stopped drinking his liquor since 2 weeks ago anyway...
[5:01:47 PM] FatOne says: you are always welcome to buy me dinner, drinks, small gifts.
[5:02:00 PM] FatOne says: but you have not. :(
[5:02:11 PM] WN says: Last friday and sunday I opened 2 bottles of Black
[5:02:13 PM] WN says: but you not around :(
[5:02:20 PM] FatOne says: but I never pending on that either.
[5:02:29 PM] FatOne says: I might be there tonight...
[5:02:37 PM] FatOne says: wow 2 bottles?
[5:02:45 PM] FatOne says: there is an expiry date though.
[5:02:49 PM] WN says: Yeah, last week drink quite heavy
[5:02:57 PM] WN says: I open where got put my name
[5:03:01 PM] WN says: I put KO's name
[5:03:17 PM] FatOne says: why not my name?
[5:03:28 PM] WN says: Can also
[5:03:33 PM] FatOne says: good. :)
[5:03:40 PM] WN says: let me know when u finishing, cos I don't want the bottle to expire
[5:03:41 PM] FatOne says: but don't black...
[5:03:52 PM] FatOne says: personally I don't like black...
[5:04:04 PM] FatOne says: Jimbean will be good enough.
[5:04:25 PM] FatOne says: if really want johny walker, then the green or blue label.
[5:04:32 PM] FatOne says: not red or black. :)
[5:04:48 PM] FatOne says: jack daniels I also keen... :)
[5:04:57 PM] FatOne says: or simple, baileys. :)
[5:05:56 PM] WN says: Okie
[5:06:05 PM] FatOne says: now you understand?
[5:06:08 PM] WN says: I think I will open 1 bottle of JB and Baileys for u
[5:06:20 PM] FatOne says: no need. I still got...
[5:06:26 PM] FatOne says: next time bah.
[5:06:33 PM] FatOne says: cos got expiry date.
[5:06:39 PM] WN says: Okie
[5:06:41 PM] WN says: No problem
[5:06:47 PM] FatOne says: now they implement the bottle card...
[5:06:56 PM] FatOne says: to keep track on expiry date.
[5:07:14 PM] FatOne says: and Q now, if your bottle expire, you need to pay for the mixer.
[5:07:18 PM] WN says: can't be bothered, we normally finish before expiry anyway,KO has no expiry.. heehee
[5:07:24 PM] FatOne says: think their business no good.
[5:07:30 PM] WN says: all along mixers aren't free
[5:07:41 PM] FatOne says: not exactly...
[5:07:56 PM] FatOne says: I have not been paying for mixer in Q and T5.
[5:08:06 PM] WN says: cos you kicked off with KO around
[5:08:22 PM] WN says: same for me
[5:08:33 PM] FatOne says: last week when I go Q to finish my jimbeam, it expire 4days only, they ask me that if I don't waht to pay for mixer, open another bottle.
[5:08:49 PM] WN says: Q we no longer open bottle liao
[5:08:53 PM] FatOne says: they are getting strict now.
[5:08:55 PM] WN says: We only have bottles @ CH and T5
[5:09:04 PM] FatOne says: I still got another jimbean there.
[5:09:34 PM] WN says: Okie
[5:10:09 PM] FatOne says: so you gets it?
[5:10:18 PM] FatOne says: NUG is an investment for me...
[5:10:33 PM] WN says: Yeah I know
[5:10:36 PM] WN says: You say a lot of times liao
[5:10:52 PM] FatOne says: ppl go there including you guys, and I still buys drinks serves 3 major purposes:
[5:12:24 PM] FatOne says: 1. Customers who bought things from me so why can't me give them a drink.
2. Friends like yourself and CuteOne, why can't me give them a drink?
3. I use Spinelli cafe to earn $, why can I give them back some business?
[5:13:06 PM] FatOne says: If you trace back, I often buys drinks on the house is when I got collection... that's where I can gives maximum exposure.
[5:14:10 PM] FatOne says: although sometimes I still buys on the house is because you disturb me, so because you are my friend, and I'll honour my friend's decision, I pay for the drinks.
[5:14:11 PM] FatOne says: get it?
[5:16:53 PM] FatOne says: I am not stupid... although I do know that you guys thinks it is unnecessary for me and it is stupid of me... but I insist as you dun know my intentions.
[5:17:17 PM] FatOne says: And definitely I AM NOT BUYING FRIENDS!!!
[5:17:25 PM] FatOne says: I dun need to also.
[5:18:46 PM] FatOne says: anyway enough said.
[5:19:17 PM] FatOne says: Like I say, no mutual trust between 2 persons, then there is no friendship involve in the first place.
[5:20:59 PM] FatOne says: Do let me know if you decided not to trust me anymore. Likewise I'll do that. At least I believe the past relationship between both of us deserved that much of respect. right?
[5:23:08 PM] WN says: Hmm?
[5:23:53 PM] WN says: Me never think so much, and what is past is past
Went around the bush, flogging a dead horse, if my joke of asking for a drink/chips was not necessary and caused obligation, apologies to the FatOne on that, well, you could let me know earlier, I do have a Spinelli's card myself, and I certainly can well afford my own coffee/chips. I'll buy you as many as I can back when I have the opportunity to do so. I cannot afford to owe people favors regardless obligated and/or not.
Now this is intriguing, why talk about all these now? Fear of losing friends? Or you finally cherish and know that what you said is wrong, but earlier as mentioned - what you say, you stand by it so now trying to salvage the situation without making yourself look bad? Is this an attempt to salvage? If it is, you've failed terribly.
Words are like the wind, they come and go, you feel it once, then it's gone forever, things will change, leaves will drop, dust will travel.
*Haiz.*
LOOOOONGGGG SMSes ...
#1
I have never regard M, K, M, O, S and D as an investment. You are all my friends, I don't need to invest for relationship. If you all feels that I don't regards you all as my friends, then may I ask what have you all done to regard me as your friend. I've asked for peace and tried to call sam which he threw my phone down. Since I cannot ask for peace, I can only act ignorance or go for war with you all which I don't wish to. Please teach me what to do.
#2
Tell you all this is not to ask for your trust just that I find the whole thing is very stupid and childish especially you want to get yourself involve for something that don't involve you. If I've done anything wrong to you earlier, I hereby apologise to you. Please do not take this sms to change your attitude towards me. So whatever decision whether you still want to regard me as a friend or not no longer important to me now cos I'm very disappointed with you all just like you are disappointed wit me. Sign off.
IF IT IS NOT IMPORTANT, THEN WHY STILL TYPE ALL THESE CRAP !!!
I have never regard M, K, M, O, S and D as an investment. You are all my friends, I don't need to invest for relationship. If you all feels that I don't regards you all as my friends, then may I ask what have you all done to regard me as your friend. I've asked for peace and tried to call sam which he threw my phone down. Since I cannot ask for peace, I can only act ignorance or go for war with you all which I don't wish to. Please teach me what to do.
#2
Tell you all this is not to ask for your trust just that I find the whole thing is very stupid and childish especially you want to get yourself involve for something that don't involve you. If I've done anything wrong to you earlier, I hereby apologise to you. Please do not take this sms to change your attitude towards me. So whatever decision whether you still want to regard me as a friend or not no longer important to me now cos I'm very disappointed with you all just like you are disappointed wit me. Sign off.
IF IT IS NOT IMPORTANT, THEN WHY STILL TYPE ALL THESE CRAP !!!
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